Does your girlfriend work in a Thai massage parlor? Thai massage is famous the world over. If you mention “Thai massage” to anyone that hasn’t visited Thailand, you might find them associate it with the sex industry and mentions of “happy ending massages”. There are thousands of massage shops all over Bangkok and Pattaya. Many of them offer massages in large open plan rooms… Many other shops have private rooms that customers are lead to for their massages; and plenty other shops provide ‘short-time’ hotel rooms above the massage shop itself.
If someone tells you that they work in a massage shop in Thailand, it’s impossible for you to know if they are involved in the sex industry or not. Many massage shops are legitimate businesses with the staff being trained at a massage school before starting work. Illicit businesses do not advertise themselves as such, as their activities are against Thai law. Genuine massage shops look identical to massage shops which act as brothels and allow their staff to work as prostitutes. You cannot tell simply by looking at a massage shop if they have private rooms upstairs or offer other services to their customers.
Seedy massage shops do not hire trained staff. Genuine masseurs in Thailand attend 3-4 week long courses to learn the proper way to give a traditional Thai massage.
The only way to be sure that your girlfriend or partner is not selling sex or ‘massages with extras’ is to hire a private investigator… And that’s where we come in. We have busted hundreds of Thai women working in massage parlors and selling themselves for money. We can guarantee you the best access to the truth and offer nothing but facts in how events unfolded. We never pay for extras or sexual services; our job is only to establish the truth and report back to our clients.
Get a quote from us today if you’d like our help. We cover Pattaya, Bangkok and northern Thailand.
Thousands of foreign guys visit Thailand each year and form romantic relationships with Thai women. If you're one of them, you should be aware of signs and things to look for in your Asian spouse. Thai culture is very different to countries in the west, so we've compiled these top 10 warning signs we think are a good starting point.
She constantly talks about money or asks you for money
A good Thai woman would never request money from a man she is just starting a relationship with; this is not an appropriate sign when you are still getting to know each other and should act as a red flag. Common excuses for money can include: her parent’s buffalo is sick, she needs money for her family's medical bills, home improvement, or even just help paying for rent and food... Many Thai women that have been involved with the sex industry are especially good liars and know how to get money from foreign men!
She spends a lot of time in bars
Alcohol is tolerated in Thai society and culture, but responsibly so. Most people in Thailand wouldn't consider spending night after night sat on a bar stool getting wasted. If you're looking for a party animal and someone to have a casual time with, this could suit you. But if you're looking for a serious, stable relationship, maybe this isn't the person for you.
She has tattoos
While this point in itself doesn't automatically make someone a bad person, tattoos on women are very much frowned on in Thai society. Tattooed women have become synonymous with the sex industry in Thailand with bar girls and go-go dancers frequently sporting ink. Outside of the night life and in normal society, women with tattoos carry a stigma and this should raise another red flag against your Thai partner. See blog post about Thai women with tattoos.
She smokes cigarettes
Good women that haven't been involved in the sex industry night life don't tend to use tobacco in Thailand. Smoking cigarettes is very common with ladies working in shady beer bars and can be a sign of a troublesome past.
She wears a huge amount of gold
Gold is worn in Thailand and used as an investment as it can easily be pawned or sold when falling on hard times. However, it should be worn tastefully with no more than a couple of items, for example one necklace and 2 rings. If someone is wearing multiple thick gold chains worth thousands of dollars, they are seen as flaunting their wealth and showing off. This isn't an attractive trait and could be a sign they are used to a very expensive lifestyle.
Her English is very good but she never attended university
Public schools in Thailand do not tend to teach a high level of English at all. If you're dating someone that speaks English but never attended university or English classes, this could be a sign that they've learned the English they speak by hanging out with foreigners in bars and other seedy places.
She swears a lot
A good, respectable Thai woman would not use English swear words when speaking to their boyfriend or anyone else. You might find it amusing if your darling swears like a drunken sailor, but this is definitely not a good thing and highly taboo in Thai culture.
She says that all Thai men are "no good"
With every group of people in the world there are good and bad, and Thai men are no exception. While there may be cases of domestic violence or abuse in Thailand, it's not true that all Thai men are bad. Thai men typically respect their girlfriends or wives in the same way that you would expect with a Western relationship. If a woman tells you that "all Thai men are no good" maybe that's a sign that Thai men just don't like her, and maybe there is a reason for that.
She is constantly on the phone texting while spending time with you
It is never a good trait if your girlfriend or the lady you're dating is constantly using her phone and texting while you're together. This type of behavior is disrespectful and shows that you’re not deserving of her full attention. You should become extremely suspicious if she hides her phone screen from you or walks away from you to secretly speak with people in English in the toilet or somewhere else... No matter the excuses, these are huge red flags that the woman could actively be in a relationship with another man.
- She is involved with, or tolerates the use of illegal drugs
This by far the most serious warning sign to look for in your prospective partner in Thailand. Drug use and drug dealing is extremely taboo in the kingdom. There are 35 crimes that can earn you a death sentence in Thailand with drug trafficking being on that list. If you encounter anyone involved with illegal drugs in Thailand the best thing to do is walk away.
10.5: You met her through an app or internet dating site. If this applies to you then read our blog post about the dangers of internet dating in Thailand.
Thailand is a unique place with huge amounts of prostitution and sex tourism. There is estimated to be over 27,000 working girls in Pattaya city alone. These women of the night regularly hook up with foreign men with the goal of draining their money. It's important to be due diligent and if you are having suspicions about your Thai girlfriend, we can help. We cover Pattaya, Bangkok and northern Thailand (Isan) and have a very high rate of success busting cheating Thai women. Get in touch with us today for a free quote and see how we can help you.
Are you Internet dating a girl from Pattaya or Bangkok? Internet dating is very popular in Thailand and there are countless different websites and apps used in the country to find prospective partners.
We have found that meeting ladies through internet dating tends to give a false sense of security. It is very easy for someone to lie about where they work, as well as having graduated from university and many other different facts that makes someone attractive to the opposite sex. It's hard to cut off a relationship with someone after you've spoke daily for several months and met them in Thailand... and this fact isn't lost on them.
If a woman has been involved with the sex industry for many years and looks to dating through the web to find a foreign husband... Will she be honest about her line of work? Will she explain that she has been a prostitute for several years? We don't think this is very likely at all. Prostitution is highly stigmatized in Thailand as it is in most of the world and ladies of the night are fully aware of this. It's very easy to lie about this and claim to have a legitimate job.
Finding a girlfriend or a wife in Thailand is very different to dating in the western world. It has been reported that there is over 27,000 active prostitutes in Pattaya city alone, with it often being described as the sex tourism capital of the world. Internet dating can be a life line in helping prostitutes escape a life of poverty; it allows them to find a husband overseas while continuing their illicit line of work in the land of smiles.
Many Thai women don't enjoy being involved with the sex trade, but it is a way to provide for themselves and their families with the Thai minimum wage around just $10 US per day. A lot of these women are expected to provide for their families and this can be hard to do on a meager wage.
A common tact among internet dating hookers to hide their profession is to find a business near to their home and take many different photos there. This could be a restaurant or a café which tend to have informal dress codes for their staff. It is easy to visit such a place and take photos which can then be uploaded onto dating sites and sent to their boyfriends overseas. We have even known women to pose wearing uniforms from the shop to make these photos appear more convincing. Without being in Thailand yourself it's impossible for you to discover the truth yourself, but very easy for us to help you!
We believe that if you are becoming involved in a romantic relationship with a Thai woman that it is best to get her checked out early in the relationship. The more time goes on, the more attached you will become to the lady, and the more forgiving you're likely to be of her deception. If you think that we can help you, get in touch with us today for a free, no pressure consultation.
“Can you bar fine my girlfriend?” – This is a question we regularly answer for our clients. Thousands of men visit Pattaya, or Bangkok every year and become involved in romances with ladies working in beer bars or agogos. In the PI world we call this type of job a “sting operation” or a “honeypot trap”. It is a test of faithfulness that cannot be argued and leaves no doubt of the situation.
You might already have questions about the faithfulness of your girlfriend… Is she hiding her phone screen from you? Is she still talking to that guy on Facebook? Often times, if your girlfriend is working at a bar in Pattaya, the easiest way to figure out if she is loyal to you is a simple “bar fine test”. This is usually cheaper, faster and more effective than other routes of investigation.
If you looking to hire a private detective to attempt and bar fine your girlfriend, there are some things you should consider:
The first thing you should consider is the age of investigator you’re hiring. Popular bar girls can earn good money through customers buying drinks for them as well as tips. A lot of the time these girls aren’t desperate and can pick and choose who they spend the night with. The results of a bar fine test can vary hugely, for example if you were to hire a 60-year-old investigator, verses a 35-year-old smartly dressed foreigner.
At PattayaPI, we prefer to use younger men for these tests, and ensure that they are always smartly dressed and polite. If you hire a PI that wears a stained Chang beer tank top, your results may not be accurate. Saving face is a huge part of Thai culture and society. A bar girl that leaves the premises with a scruffy looking customer may lose face (damage her reputation) among her friends working in the bar.
Another important element to bar fine tests is evidence gathering. We have access to state of the art hidden camera equipment; however it can be extremely difficult to capture hidden camera video inside beer bars or agogos in Thailand. We have found in the past that the extremely loud disco music in most bars tends to drown out the conversation we’re trying to record. Capturing images with hidden cameras can also be challenging due to the dark lightening in a lot of establishments, combined with bright disco lighting… This can be a real problem as hidden cameras have very small lenses and the images can come out over exposed and be very disappointing.
We have developed unique techniques of proving to you that your girlfriend isn’t being faithful to you in the bar. Get in contact with us, explaining the details of your situation and we’ll be glad to explain what we think is the best evidence gathering technique for your scenario.
Lastly you should be prepared for the result, whichever way it goes. At PattayaPI, we will always offer you advice and support on your situation and suggest to you what we think is the best way forward. Of course, some of our clients don’t want advice from us and that’s fine too.
We are quite simply the best private investigators for determining the faithfulness of your girlfriend or wife, whether that means a bar fine test or a more elaborate investigation. Get in touch with us for a free, no pressure consultation.
Are you involved with a Thai lady and considering hiring a private investigator? We understand the sort of dilemma you're facing. Here are some things we think you should consider.
Case study: John Doe
John Doe is just a regular guy. He works a nine to five job and pays his bills. Bored with the monotony of everyday life, John visited Thailand... He may have had no intention of flying to the land of smiles to meet a woman, most often this is the case. To cut a long story short, John is now supporting his Thai spouse and sending money to her every month, every week, or whenever she needs it.
There is nothing wrong with being involved with a Thai woman; even a lady that has had dealings with the sex industry. It can work, and it has worked for thousands of men. Please see the older posts on this blog for more insight into this.
Back to our friend John… He's now sending an average of 30,000 Thai baht per month to his girlfriend in Pattaya. If this woman is loyal to John, there is nothing wrong with this. He is supporting someone he loves and she is enjoying a more comfortable life as a result.
John has suspicions about his Thai girlfriend. He loves her, and doesn't want to believe these suspicions, but they exist nonetheless. He decides to hire PattayaPI to conduct a sting operation. He pays 6,000 baht for this investigation to go ahead. It does and unfortunately John discovers his girlfriend is open to spending time in other men's hotel rooms.
Ask yourself this: Has John wasted money by hiring us for an investigation? After he discovers his girlfriend is not loyal to him, he stops sending her 30,000 baht per month. After only one week the investigation has paid for itself. After one year John has saved $11,000 US dollars.
On the other hand, if the result of our investigation went in his girlfriend's favor, he has bought himself peace of mind that his relationship will not turn into another Thai horror story he has heard so much about. Our clients tell us that the reassurance this gives them is priceless, and vital for making life changing decisions.
We offer free quotes for all work. You can decide for yourself if it makes sense financially to hire us. It has made sense for hundreds of our past clients and we are proud to have saved them huge amounts of money. On an emotional level, the sooner you learn the truth about someone, the easier it will be to cut ties with that person. We always recommend that if you are having doubts to address them immediately, rather than continue on with a potentially disastrous relationship for months or even years.
Many foreigners will tell you not to become involved with Thai bar girls. Don’t get in a relationship with them, and do not marry them. The reason they give this advice is because many bar girls in Pattaya are scammers, drug addicts, or liars. They are trying to receive money from multiple foreign boyfriends in order to support themselves.
Here is something they won’t tell you. A lot of foreign men have married bar girls from Pattaya throughout the years… They have got married, had kids, and lead normal lives together. Many men will deny that their wife is an ex bar girl because of the stigma attached to it.
A lot of Thai ladies start working in bars in order to meet a foreign husband. Think about that for a moment. If you were a Thai lady and wanted to start a relationship with a white guy, where would you go? Sure, they could try online dating. But is their English good enough to be writing for hours on dating sites? Many Thai ladies pay English translators so they can use dating websites. Working in a bar provides poorly educated Thai ladies with a way of learning English (mostly ‘bar English’), as well as speed dating with foreigners every single night.
Some bar girls will stop working in their bar, and be totally loyal to you given the opportunity. They can be good girlfriends and good wives. However, if you have found yourself a lady that’s just interested in your wallet, you have got a big problem on your hands. Ladies that are professional scammers are also professional liars, they are highly skilled in deception and will never confess their true intentions.
If you have suspicions about your girlfriend or wife, get in contact with us immediately. We will be able to offer you free advice and either confirm your suspicious, or hopefully dispel them!